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Discussion time! [Apr. 23rd, 2010|10:33 pm]
In Support of Hated Pairings

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[sarajayechan]
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Do you think writing an essay trying to disprove the rival ship to one's OTP is pointless, or does it depend on how it's written? I personally don't see the point myself...writing an essay on why it doesn't do anything for you or why you don't think it'd work is one thing, but dismissing all the canon hints as fabrications of the dub, subverting the hints and claiming the Japanese creators hate the ship seems silly to me.

(Fortunately, the linked essay is actually quite civil and coherent and takes care not to bash Misty. For that I can give it credit. And yeah, I'm aware it's probably old, but it's a mere example and nothing else.)
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[User Picture]From: jaina
2010-04-24 02:44 am (UTC)
I'd say it's technically pointless, but to me that doesn't mean it's something I'd frown upon. For some people, it's just enjoyable to write "here's what I think, here's my evidence, here's why you should believe me" essays and posts. It's not really that different than lengthy essays on non-shippy fan theories. If someone is really intent on bugging people and getting them to agree with their interpretation of a pairing, I'd think they could probably do well to chill out and step away from the computer for a while, but in and of itself I don't see anything inherently wrong with an essay like that.
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[User Picture]From: sarajayechan
2010-04-24 02:50 am (UTC)
Yeah, nothing wrong with compiling evidence lists for the sheer fun of it. XD

If someone is really intent on bugging people and getting them to agree with their interpretation of a pairing, I'd think they could probably do well to chill out and step away from the computer for a while, but in and of itself I don't see anything inherently wrong with an essay like that.

That's what I thought. Some of the anti-ship essays I've seen were intent on ripping the ship apart and subtly chewing out its fans, but this one impressed me by being civil and not hating on Misty, AND offering a valid reason AAML might not work.
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[User Picture]From: jaina
2010-04-24 02:52 am (UTC)
I know shit-all about Pokemon, but that sounds like the type I'm more interested in, too. When it comes down to it, it doesn't matter what the fans are like if you're debating the viability of a ship, since they don't produce the canon material. (And fans are pretty much all crazy to some degree, anyway.)
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[User Picture]From: enelya87
2010-04-24 04:04 am (UTC)
I think I'd go with "it depends on how it's written". It is true that that one is surprisingly civil considering its purpose and if someone truly has fun doing something like that then I hesitate to call it pointless. Like you, I don't really understand putting the time and energy into disproving a ship a person doesn't like or doesn't think will happen, but to each his own.

But then on the other side of that, the essay that I first encountered like that was this one which rips into not only a ship but also a character. To me, that verges on pointless when the author seems to despise the ship. If I disliked a ship that much, I'd just avoid it. Again I suppose I would say, to each his own. But this boggles me even more and seems particularly silly and a waste of time. However it's a very popular essay for that fandom's community, so it wasn't pointless to some people I guess.

It just makes more sense to have fun with the ship I enjoy rather than disprove the one I don't. I guess the question of does it do anything for a person might depend on whether one ships just because they enjoy it regardless of whether it becomes canon or if they ship it expecting it to be canon. Or something |D
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[User Picture]From: sarajayechan
2010-04-24 04:33 am (UTC)
*nods*

LOL BLEACHNESS. Yeah, their level of ship-disproving is just...it's like the very IDEA of IchiHime having any sort of chance offends them to their very core.
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[User Picture]From: enelya87
2010-04-24 04:54 am (UTC)
Lol, yeah since the point of shipping for me is a fun escape, I don't understand the level of seriousness they take it to. If IchiRuki happens it's not gonna violate my feminist ideals or make Kubo a bad writer or cause the earth to close in on itself maybe if IR offended me to my very core instead of thinking it's pretty cute I'd understand, but it doesn't so...no nvm, I still wouldn't understand But if that's their idea of fun...
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[User Picture]From: sarajayechan
2010-04-24 04:31 am (UTC)
To be fair to this particular essay I think the writer was trying to disprove Ash/Misty more than prove Ash/Gary. XD But yes. I've seen this in anti-canon Zutara essays and the neverending Bleach shipping war. For some fans it's not enough to say "Kataang/Ichihime doesn't do anything for me and I don't see it, I think Zutara/Ulquihime/Ichiruki has the more appealing dynamic".
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[User Picture]From: contrail
2010-04-24 03:35 pm (UTC)
I'd definitely go with 'depends on how it's written', since I... uh, have written an anti-Ryoga/Ukyo essay. ^^; I definitely tried to keep as civil a tone as possible, though, and concentrated on what I saw in canon that made me think it wouldn't work without a lot of development. I think it's fine to want your opinion of a ship out there, even if it's negative, as long as you stay civil and don't bash characters or other pairings in the process.

(The essay's here, in case anyone is curious to see if I'm actually doing it right or not.)
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[User Picture]From: miwalicious
2010-04-24 04:41 pm (UTC)
ryoga/ukyo? i never considered that pairing lolol
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[User Picture]From: miwalicious
2010-04-24 04:40 pm (UTC)
i think it's ok... she's just expressing her opinion, and it's the same reason i don't support jake/leah from twilight, or rukia/ichigo from bleach... no need to pair two characters that are (imo) better off as friends. sometimes an essay like that actually makes people reconsider the couple (it has happened to me).
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